Comments on: Marc P’s Old, Crappy, Not-so 10-Speed Peugeot Randonneur http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/ Your source for all things old, crappy, 10-speed. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Marc P http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86570 Marc P Sun, 17 Jan 2010 04:27:27 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86570 It does for all intensive purposes look simply to be a tensioner with a spring, and no attachment for a cable so as to be able to adjust the tension. BMX guys say they like to tighten the chain to go faster. More traction. So even if one goes with it being just a tensioner, what's the purpose of this one... Jesse, what you say about the wheels possibly having been changed also seems a likely possibility here. But still, even if there was a 3 speed on there, (there are cable guides that go along the rear downtube, driveside. You can see one in the middle of this pic: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur/pr15.jpg Another thing worth mentioning at this point it the sort of hook just above the 'tensioner' on the same downtube. Can be seen in this pic: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur/pr26.jpg and this one: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur/pr19.jpg I don't know what this is either. Possibly related? Thanks for the name of that book. I'll try to find a copy. Judging by all the sites, catalogs and info, this bike surely has to be made around 1948-1. All the other components match this era, only mine seems a little older than those shown in the available catalogues. I have not managed to find any catalogues from between 1936 and 1950. But yes, it's probably one of the earliest postwar peugeots. The stop producing bikes from 1940-1948. It definately represents the 'deluxe tourer' with all the accessories. Amazingly still on there for the most part virtually untouched! It is for sure a treasure. It does for all intensive purposes look simply to be a tensioner with a spring, and no attachment for a cable so as to be able to adjust the tension. BMX guys say they like to tighten the chain to go faster. More traction. So even if one goes with it being just a tensioner, what’s the purpose of this one… Jesse, what you say about the wheels possibly having been changed also seems a likely possibility here. But still, even if there was a 3 speed on there, (there are cable guides that go along the rear downtube, driveside. You can see one in the middle of this pic: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur/pr15.jpg Another thing worth mentioning at this point it the sort of hook just above the ‘tensioner’ on the same downtube. Can be seen in this pic: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur/pr26.jpg and this one: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur/pr19.jpg I don’t know what this is either. Possibly related? Thanks for the name of that book. I’ll try to find a copy. Judging by all the sites, catalogs and info, this bike surely has to be made around 1948-1. All the other components match this era, only mine seems a little older than those shown in the available catalogues. I have not managed to find any catalogues from between 1936 and 1950. But yes, it’s probably one of the earliest postwar peugeots. The stop producing bikes from 1940-1948. It definately represents the ‘deluxe tourer’ with all the accessories. Amazingly still on there for the most part virtually untouched! It is for sure a treasure.

]]> By: Jesse http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86556 Jesse Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:42:13 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86556 If you're curious about the derailler, you might want to have a look at Frank Berto's book, "The Dancing Chain." I understand it's very comprehensive, but sadly I don't own a copy. However, I've seen pre-WWII derailleurs online that only had 2 or 3 cogs on the rear cluster. It may be that the old cluster wore out and the previous owner replaced it with a single freewheel out of necessity. I imagine that 2 and 3 cog clusters were hard to come by after 5 cog clusters were introduced after WWII. If you’re curious about the derailler, you might want to have a look at Frank Berto’s book, “The Dancing Chain.” I understand it’s very comprehensive, but sadly I don’t own a copy. However, I’ve seen pre-WWII derailleurs online that only had 2 or 3 cogs on the rear cluster. It may be that the old cluster wore out and the previous owner replaced it with a single freewheel out of necessity. I imagine that 2 and 3 cog clusters were hard to come by after 5 cog clusters were introduced after WWII.

]]> By: Gordus http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86553 Gordus Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:20:57 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86553 THANK YOU for posting the large views on your website. The closeups reveal even more soul than the small ones on this site. The device on the rear hub looks to be nothing more than a tensioner, as derailleurs were not invented until after the war. The shift lever on the top tube is a curiosity, perhaps it did not shift gears but performed a different function? The hinged metal rack boxes as well as the rack itself is priceless, just one of a kind.I could spend hours delving into the images of rust and detritus deposited on this bike. I envy you this treasure. THANK YOU for posting the large views on your website. The closeups reveal even more soul than the small ones on this site. The device on the rear hub looks to be nothing more than a tensioner, as derailleurs were not invented until after the war. The shift lever on the top tube is a curiosity, perhaps it did not shift gears but performed a different function?
The hinged metal rack boxes as well as the rack itself is priceless, just one of a kind.I could spend hours delving into the images of rust and detritus deposited on this bike. I envy you this treasure.

]]> By: Marc P http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86546 Marc P Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:55:13 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86546 Good point Don. Hadn't thought of that. I am not sure what signs to look for ...I am guessing there would be marks on the frame left by brackets/clamps or braces that would have held such a motor in place. I will have a close look at the bike with that in mind and see if I notice anything in particular. ...Also, I have more detailed pictures of the bike including a couple that show the rear tire before I removed it here: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur.html (Mark D; ..there's a link at the bottom of the page to one of those Swiss Army Bikes I mentioned) Good point Don. Hadn’t thought of that. I am not sure what signs to look for …I am guessing there would be marks on the frame left by brackets/clamps or braces that would have held such a motor in place. I will have a close look at the bike with that in mind and see if I notice anything in particular.
…Also, I have more detailed pictures of the bike including a couple that show the rear tire before I removed it here: http://balloontirebicycle.com/Peugeot%20Randonneur.html
(Mark D; ..there’s a link at the bottom of the page to one of those Swiss Army Bikes I mentioned)

]]> By: Don S http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86543 Don S Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:53:02 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86543 Are there any signs that a Peugeot cyclemotor had been installed in the past ? that might explain the chain Idler.. Are there any signs that a Peugeot cyclemotor had been installed in the past ?
that might explain the chain Idler..

]]> By: Hugh http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86541 Hugh Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:22:05 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86541 I agree with Gordus, It is a work of art just the way it is. I agree with Gordus, It is a work of art just the way it is.

]]> By: Marc P http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86537 Marc P Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:53:38 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86537 Don S, thanks for the link, I have seen a similar peugeot site before once. They seem to have a gap in the old ads, that unfortunately means I cant find my exact bike. I think mine is an early 40's bike, and the ads on this site start in the early 50's. The earlier ones are too early. Mark D. I have 3 swiss army bikes. Here in SWitz they grow on trees just about. They are fantastic bikes, very strong. The design was in production from 1905 until around 1995! Would love to chat about those but we should stick to 10 speeds I think here. Gordus, I totally agree with you here. This bike cannot easily be cleaned and would need a repaint. Better to preserve it as a sort of living history as you say. I don't plan to change it in any way. The only thing I would do is find a well used matching rear tire for it. The orig is bare. It is all just string/rope that was under the rubber. I dont know why the front one remained so well intact as compared with the rear. Also, I found out about the locking mechanism! I even found some on ebay. They are here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nos-VINTAGE-BIKE-BICYCLE-Neiman_W0QQitemZ200419907089QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea9f51611 Quite simple really. So the remaining mystery is the chain tensioner/possible derailleur. Quite a mystery it seems. Maybe somebody will shed some light on it eventually. Don S, thanks for the link, I have seen a similar peugeot site before once. They seem to have a gap in the old ads, that unfortunately means I cant find my exact bike. I think mine is an early 40′s bike, and the ads on this site start in the early 50′s. The earlier ones are too early.
Mark D. I have 3 swiss army bikes. Here in SWitz they grow on trees just about. They are fantastic bikes, very strong. The design was in production from 1905 until around 1995! Would love to chat about those but we should stick to 10 speeds I think here.
Gordus, I totally agree with you here. This bike cannot easily be cleaned and would need a repaint. Better to preserve it as a sort of living history as you say. I don’t plan to change it in any way. The only thing I would do is find a well used matching rear tire for it. The orig is bare. It is all just string/rope that was under the rubber. I dont know why the front one remained so well intact as compared with the rear.
Also, I found out about the locking mechanism! I even found some on ebay. They are here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nos-VINTAGE-BIKE-BICYCLE-Neiman_W0QQitemZ200419907089QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea9f51611
Quite simple really.
So the remaining mystery is the chain tensioner/possible derailleur. Quite a mystery it seems. Maybe somebody will shed some light on it eventually.

]]> By: Gordus http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86535 Gordus Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:09:28 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86535 DO NOT RESTORE THIS BIKE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! The effects of time, use, and weather on this bike lends it a gorgeous uniqueness. It is a time capsule, it speaks of decades of human suffering, persistence, endurance. I would love to have a bike like this, a bike worth more than all the carbon frames ever built put together. Please notify me first if you wish to part with it. ;-) Gordus DO NOT RESTORE THIS BIKE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!
The effects of time, use, and weather on this bike lends it a gorgeous uniqueness. It is a time capsule, it speaks of decades of human suffering, persistence, endurance. I would love to have a bike like this, a bike worth more than all the carbon frames ever built put together.
Please notify me first if you wish to part with it. ;-) Gordus

]]> By: Hugh http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86528 Hugh Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:04:22 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86528 Fan%#*#%*#tastic! What a treasure! Fan%#*#%*#tastic! What a treasure!

]]> By: Mark D http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-submitted/marc-ps-old-crappy-not-so-10-speed-peugeot-randonneur/comment-page-1/#comment-86527 Mark D Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:02:39 +0000 http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/?p=2969#comment-86527 I guess only Marks can post here. :-) I can't add any useful info about your Peugeot, but thought you might find this item on Craigslist of interest (no, I am not the seller): Two 1932 SWISS ARMY BIKES, All Original - $4495 (South Florida) http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/1546056747.html They are of similar vintage, and they are Swiss! Anyway, thanks for sharing, even though it's not an OTS. (And to think I've been hesitating to post my OTS because it's got a six-sprocket freewheel.) Beautiful bike, great story. I guess only Marks can post here. :-)

I can’t add any useful info about your Peugeot, but thought you might find this item on Craigslist of interest (no, I am not the seller):

Two 1932 SWISS ARMY BIKES, All Original – $4495 (South Florida)

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/1546056747.html

They are of similar vintage, and they are Swiss!

Anyway, thanks for sharing, even though it’s not an OTS. (And to think I’ve been hesitating to post my OTS because it’s got a six-sprocket freewheel.) Beautiful bike, great story.

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